Yeah, that's my point. It's childish to make such a big deal out of a person's views, even if they are based in ignorance, as to prevent friendship or otherwise pleasant socializing with them.

Pleased. I got to show Harok my sockmonkeys. :-D

I would not get along with anyone who told me that they knew my gender or sexuality better than I do.

Eh, I guess I just don't consider sexuality to be a terribly important aspect.

It's not so much that, in saying that homosexuality is disgusting, they're saying that any person who is gay, is also disgusting. So I would take it as a personal insult. I tend not to get along with people who insult me.

Well yeah, if they think it's disgusting and tell you that, then of course, you would be offended, but if they simply think it's odd or bad or otherwise have problems with it, and they don't make a big deal out of it at all, it's silly to put so much emphasis on it. Especially if you only hear about their views from someone else.

All that was said was that she didn't think she could get along with her very well. And, honestly, I know I probably couldn't. I happen to like girls and am very obvious and clear about it. Had she or anyone else said something as ignorant as that, I would have set them straight and not been too polite about it, either. The entire mentality is based in nothing but ignorance in an age where the ignorance has no excuse.

Being impolite never really helps to convince people. Their views could be based in ignorance, but so what? Having problems with homosexuality doesn't make someone a bad person, and its stupid to let one aspect of a person prevent You from being their friend or being friendly to them.

I choose not to go out of my way to make friends with those who are ignorant enough to see sexuality as a choice. Considering--I'm assuming--she has had sexual feelings, as she is someone's mum, it makes it that much more insulting, as I doubt she ever sat down and decided she wanted to be sexually attracted to someone. Polite? I can be polite, yes, but friendly stops there.

And that's childish and ignorant, To ignore everything else about a person because of one aspect. I equate that with a person refusing to be someone's friend because of their sexuality, race, etc.

What this started with was Rain saying she doesn't think she could get along with Babyteeth's mom because she doesn't understand sexuality and is ignorant of sexuality. That's the only thing she knows about his mom. Its ignorant to assume that she couldn't get along with her. People can be ignorant of sexuality and can refuse to see otherwise, but can still be polite and friendly.

It's nothing at all like refusing to be someone's friend because of race or sexuality. Personal views are a choice, while sexuality and race aren't. A great percentage of my friends do not identify themselves as heterosexual. I would not choose to associate with someone who was very racist because I find that detestable, too, nor would I choose to associate with someone who was extremely sexist.

It is NOT ignorant for her to say that she doesn't think she'd get along with the mum. She did not say 'Oh, I'm sure I'd hate her!' There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that you think you wouldn't like someone based on information that you have been given about them, especially when it's about personal views.

On top of which, it's kind of fucked up to call someone else ignorant because they *don't think they'd get along with someone*, especially someone who has never shown themselves to be ignorant in any way.

There is also a great difference between getting along with someone and being polite and friendly.

It's the same concept. Ignoring everything else about a person because of one aspect. Also, you should know that a person can't instantly change their views. I'm not talking about people who have a hate for races, genders, sexualities or what have you. I'm talking about people who are mildly ignorant. Such as thinking it's a choice. I have friends who think sexuality is a choice (also all of my friends know that I'm gay), who I have told to consider that it's not, to no avail, however they're still my friends. It'd be childish of me to stop associating with them because of one thing.

It's also because it's the only thing she knows about this person, the person could turn out to be perfectly normal and friendly. The point is that that's the only thing she knows about the person. She can't make a judgement with inadequate information. Or rather she can, so can anyone, but it's ignorant to do so.

And no, getting along with someone is socializing with them in a friendly manner.

You're getting angry, Never. For no reason at all.

Don't tell me how I feel, especially when you're wrong. Now, THAT does make me angry. I promise you, Marcus, you don't know me half well enough to even try to tell me how I feel. Do NOT try to tell me how I feel, let alone whether what you guess I'm feeling is warranted. THAT is very, very ignorant and very arrogant, on top of being highly offensive. I got serious, yes, but until you had the audacity to try to tell me how I feel and assumed such, I was not angry at all. You are assuming a closeness to me that you do not have nor will you probably ever have. In the future, please refrain from doing so.

Like I said, she said, based on that fact, she didn't think she'd get along with them, not that she was certain she'd absolutely hate them. I honestly doubt that you're incapable of understanding the difference between the two, so I'd ask you to please not be intentionally obtuse.

There is a huge difference between disliking someone for something they can't control, such as race and disliking someone for something they can control, such as personality or beliefs. And, yes, a person CAN instantly change their views, if they don't choose to cling to their ignorances for no other reason than because they are what the person has believed. Minds can be changed in a second.

No willing ignorance is 'mild'. It is excusable to be ignorant about something that simple logic wouldn't fix or that one has not been exposed to, but it becomes willful ignorance when one will not examine the idea of try to find out more about it. The train of thought Babyteeth attributed to her mum was that gay women should simply find more feminine men. Now, assuming, as she has offspring, that she's heterosexual, I doubt that she could sit down and simply choose to be attracted to a more masculine woman instead of a male.

I really don't honestly care if you, as a gay male, have friends who still see sexuality as a choice, even though you've tried to talk to them. Yes, that's good for you, but it has absolutely no bearing on the situation. You are choosing to stand up for a group that is in no way being harmed. It's silly and unnecessary. If you were to find out someone had a habit of setting animals on fire live, well, I know I certainly would want nothing to do with them, period, even if that's only one aspect of them. Yes, that's a much more extreme case, but it's still the same type of thinking.

You're acting like a concrete judgement has been made about the character of this person when it hasn't. Simply saying you don't think you'd get along with someone is much different than saying that you wouldn't get along with them or that you'd hate them. One's a guess based on your own personal beliefs and what a person has exhibited while the other is more final.

What is ignorant is to ignore the obvious and instead choose to act as if some subgroup has been attacked that needs to be defended.

'Getting along with' is something that can obviously be defined in multiple manners by different people. Obviously, you don't have to like, respect, or enjoy someone to 'socialize in a friendly manner.' People who absolutely hate each other can 'socialize in a friendly manner'.

You swore at me. I associate being sworn at with anger. And now you're blowing this out of proportion like you do with every other minor mishap. Excuse me, but if you get so worked up over one thing, people are going to think you're angry. You might not actually be angry, but if someone says "Hey, you're angry" then you should at least consider the possibility that you may sound angry or that you are coming off as rude to them. If you come off as angry, people are going to believe you are. Instead of saying "HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT I AM FEELING !!1!!!!111!!" try to refrain from coming off as angry.

I know what she said, now I'm talking about you. You said you wouldn't associate with people who are racist sexist, what have you.

Oh they can? I'd like you to start being a Christian. Now. Then I want you to be a muslim. Then I want you to be a Theistic Satanist. I want you to actually believe the creeds and major philosophies of these groups. Next I want you to be an anti Semite, a fascist, and then a conservative. People can change their views instantly as you said.

Never, again, people can be misunderstanding of homosexuality without out right hating homosexuals. That's what I meant by mild ignorance.

I meant that as an example, obviously.

Ignorance doesn't just mean being a racist, homophobic, or whatever. It is ignorant to ignore everything about a person because of one aspect, just because you don't agree.

At this point, I expect nothing less from you. You know, the way you assume your emotions so are magical that not a single person can attempt to predict/assume how you feel? I couldn't care less if anger wasn't your real emotion. Anger is what you're giving off.

Now, please take this to a new thread in Touchy Subjects or a PM if you want to continue.

EDIT: Er, Marcus already addressed what I said.

Pleased! I got the job!

Awesome, Hunterr.

What is the job Gray?

Pulling pints.

Well done!

...But not in Chicago. :( But yeah, congrats, Gray!

Displeased. Me and my cousin Levi were going to go hang out with my other cousin, but Levi got his foot sucked into the propeller of a boat. So he can't go. Last time we were planning something like this, he broke his foot. It is messed up.
Cool that you got a job though. I wish I had a job.

Pleased. Good day today.

Pleased. I hung out with my friends at the Fair. I also got my hair cut. :)

Pleased, my cousin e-mailed me.
I need a hair cut. I can't sleep because my hair is too long.