ForumGeneral Discussion ► How Significant Is IQ?
I can go either way
  
I feel that having a high IQ puts you at an advantage, and is a good thing. It, however, is not the only good thing. People are complex and they're many qualities that are just as important as intelligence.
  
It's certainly true that it depends on your level of application. I suppose IQ is a measure of reasoning, and generally your ability to retain knowledge quickly and efficiently. Mind you, I have always found that it doesn't mean as much as you would expect it to. On the standardised test I scored 160, and yet I find it nigh impossible to consistently get the exam results I want, (mostly because I seize up in exams for some stupid reason, not because I don't know the stuff, which is frankly infuriating). But the strange thing is, I know somebody who is 135 IQ-wise, and yet seems to be able to analyze things considerably better than me. Strategy games, that sort of thing. I mean he can do a Rubik's cube in about 2 minutes, for goodness' sake. Then again, he does suffer from dyspraxia and as such that would have knocked him down in the area of linguistics and calculation speed. I suspect that if he did not suffer from this he would be up around the 160 area. So yes, I would agree that IQ does not neccessarily measure what you would expect it to. Interesting topic though. I wonder if there would be a more efficient method of measuring general intelligence? Perhaps split it into several seperate numerical values rather than a single catch-all number.

(Incidentally, about the Social thing... I'm sort of an exception as well, In that I'm naturally a very social person, I'm just awkward at it, which can be a bit depressing. It's not like I'll be talking and come out with an embarrasing faux pas or anything, it's just I'm often regarded as weird, and as a result of that I don't communicate too well in large groups. I don't feel afraid of exclusion, it's just a subconcious thing. It's a strange one, that.)
  
In order for IQ to actually represent someone's intelligence, there would need, at the very least, to be given a written reasoning test, a test in which questions are read aloud to you, a test based on pictures and drawing to reason, a test in which you're allowed to use materials to determine an answer... There are simply too many ways of learning in which a person might possibly excel for the test to ever be truly comprehensive and accurate for everyone. It could come close, but the test would take hours to finish.
  
Very true. Some people learn by self-teaching, some need others, some memorize by mnmemonics, by pictures, by mental lists, even by going over key words in the book in highligher pen. Goodness knows there's a lot of ways to learn, and that's just referring to memorizing things. That's not even talking about people's often very focussed abilities outside just plain memory, abilities to think artistically, musically, numerically, logically, laterally... I know this one boy who is terrible at maths, doesn't enjoy reading and isn't particularly good at writing, hates science, etc etc. The only exception is art. His work could easily pass for a professional artist, in fact he's better than most professional work I've seen, and he can work in virtually any flat medium; pencils, any kind of paint, charcoal, anything. However, his IQ score comes out to almost exactly average. If anything, slightly below average. I mean what does that tell you about him? Practically nothing. That's one of the reasons I consider IQ to be guidelines or a rough estimate, rather than a solid measure of a person's intelligence or capacity.
  
It isn't meant to measure knowledge. It is good at measuring reasoning ability, which is what it's for.
  
It is only good at measuring how well one can reason through a written question, and ignores those who reason through writing, creating visuals, or creating. There is more than one sort of logic pattern our brain can go through to acquire knowledge or create connections. I am not speaking solely of how people memorize things - I'm talking about how they think through them. Not everyone is at their quickest when presented with a written question and made to forgo their primary method of reasoning.
  
The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Test measures more than language use and processing, though a large portion of it is still dedicated to it. It does include other tests such as block design, digit-span memorization, and matrix reasoning. But this isn't a test that's all that commonly taken. It has to be done a very specific way by a trained psychologist, and is often times used to determine which areas of the brain have been damaged after a head injury.

More about the WAIS.
  
I have an IQ of 80 and my life is terrible.
  
I saw a very interesting documentary once about how biased the IQ system of measuring intelligence is towards European races.
They analysed lots of studies which measured the IQs of people of different ethnicities and cultures (most of which were conducted in the first half of the 20th century, when the notion that the white races were the most intelligent was a somewhat more common idea than it is now), most of which concluded that white and Eastern Asian people were the most intelligent whereas native American and Aboriginal Australians were the least intelligent, with their average scores being up to 50 or 60 points below those of the other races. Whilst many scientists claimed that these studies proved that not all races were equal, the modern interpretation of the results is simply that the IQ system is good for measuring only one kind of intelligence, the kind which is the most nurtured in European and East Asian cultures, and gives no indication of the real mental capabilities of everyone.
  
How do all of you know your IQs? Is this a standard test in the US?

It is in my county, if the teacher thinks you'd pass on at least a 'low genius'. There are special programs in Lake County that you can't get into without an IQ test.
  
I read something somewhere a while ago saying that simply giving your IQ as a raw number doesn't mean anything because of how many different tests there are out there. It is a better measure of 'intelligence' to give your percentile.
  
Thanks Mg, I'd never heard of the WAIS before, looks interesting. Wish a system like that was more widespread, rather than just used as a damage-determiner.
  
I'm sure there are people who take it for other reasons, but any psychological case I've ever studied used it for that purpose. It would be kind of interesting to take, but I'm not sure how one goes about doing so.
  
I suppose there'd be specialist psychologist, ex medical professionals, that sort of thing. I might have a look around for something like that, actually, it'd be like getting a second opinion, but hopefully more accurate.
  
Smart and intelligent are two very different things... technically.
  
Smart being understood to mean knowledge, I assume? Or are you saying something else entirely?
  
Yep, smart meaning you have knowledge. Although people consider "smart" and "intelligent" to mean the same thing.
  
That's funny, I always considered "Smart" to mean intelligent, rather than just knowing a lot. Obviously intelligence and knowing a lot often coincide, but I always considered "smart" to mean more along the lines of doing complex maths in your head, or being good at strategies, or some such 'intelligent' thing like that, rather than having large memory banks. Perhaps a linguistic difference. Maybe that's one of the meaning shifts between US English and UK English? I'll check with some other people to see what they think. I love little linguistic quirks like that, for some reason.
  
"Smart" is a horribly vague word. I've heard it often to mean both. It's generally the word people use when they don't really know the difference between knowledge and intelligence and need a placeholder.
  
If you want to tell the Valedictorian that he/she is very knowledgeable, what do you say?
Most would say, "You are smart."
  
My IQ at 5 was 165, don't know my current, but it has to be from 145 at the lowest, probably

And the IQ test was originally invented to determine students that had a learning disability, not intelligence.
  
Ardensfax said:
I suppose there'd be specialist psychologist, ex medical professionals, that sort of thing. I might have a look around for something like that, actually, it'd be like getting a second opinion, but hopefully more accurate.


I have administered the WAIS, you have to practise it to become a registered psych in Australia. It is very long and extremely complicated to score.
  
I don't even know what my IQ is, and I've never needed to know.
  
The word Psychometric is actually a combination of two words: Psyche (mind) and Metric (related to measurement). Thus, a psychometric test refers to a range of psychological assessments which are used to evaluate the human thought and behaviour.

APsychometric test is often used to measure cognitive functions like aptitude, behavioural traits like personality, developmental progress like intelligence or social constructs like interest. It can also be used to profile mental health status, though it is widespread in its application for tapping and shaping personal, academic and professional growth of a person.
  
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