ForumTouchy Subjects ► Keep children off the internet
Every time you need to load a page, you swipe your license. Please discuss how this would be a brilliant idea for a glorious future.

Only sort of a joke
But dear lord, can you imagine all the 18 year olds on the Internet for the first time with absolutely no sense of online etiquette whatsoever?
Hmm, I guess it’d be like when 18 year olds are finally able to get into bars. Still though, can you imagine high schoolers in bars? I’m sure you’ve seen them before.
It's starting to sound like we should keep everyone off the Internet.
I get the impression that people tend to congregate around similar age groups anyway - and the Internet is big enough for more than one community.

Also, with the current state of sex ed around the world, I'd hate to see what relationships would be like without easy access to porn.
amras0000 said:
I'd hate to see what relationships would be like without easy access to porn.

...probably a lot better and more satisfying, especially for women 😂 porn is not exactly a reflection of what you should be should be arriving for in a relationship.
ITT: people who can't remember a time before the Internet discuss what a world without the Internet would be like.

Gosh, I'm old.
I believe kid proofing through browsers, apps and tablets will improve with time and this issue will continuously lessen. Algorithms take time to become better filters and I like downloading apps for my kids that don't allow them to comment or communicate at all online.
ITT: people who can't remember a time before the Internet discuss what a world without the Internet would be like.

Gosh, I'm old.

There's a big difference between having the Internet gradually become a part of your life and going from zero Internet to modern day Internet :P
E7 said:
I believe kid proofing through browsers, apps and tablets will improve with time and this issue will continuously lessen. Algorithms take time to become better filters and I like downloading apps for my kids that don't allow them to comment or communicate at all online.

To be fair, I agree that kids in primary school shouldn't be spending time chatting online, outside of things to the tune of club penguin (or whatever the youth nowadays are playing). Though you could argue that should be a parenting issue rather than a technological one.

But I know I'd have had a much shitter teenagehood if I didn't have the Internet around to give me some perspective while I was finding my identity.
I just want them off the internet so they’ll stop saying they’re 20 on tinder when they’re actually 17, which they decide to disclose a good bit later, so that I won’t have to deal with the fact that I flirted with a minor.
I say, lets take that license Idea and narrow it down a bit. I think that a person using a dating app should have to use their license. For instance if you disappear off the face of the planet and the only thing your friends know is that went on a Tinder date. It might help identify a kidnapper or murderer. Also, people are going to be more careful with the things they say. I don't know about you guys but in my experience rejection can make people violent and threatening. Also,it will make it harder for people to lie about their age.
So I actually did a poll on parental monitoring all the way back in February. The poll numbers are a little off because of some confusion, but it's pretty clear that parents tend to have little clue about their child's activity online.

Responses #1:
Responses #2:

Personally, I believe that child abuse laws regarding neglect need to be updated for the modern era. Parents absolutely need to be a part of their child's internet activity, and if they're not, then suffer some form of consequences for it. Now, I'm not advocating for helicopter parenting, but a parent should have an available mental list of websites that their child frequents and all the people their child has contact with online. You could easily do that with a 2-week check-up on their activity.

I also believe that children should not have access to social media. Social media websites and apps like Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, Tumblr, Snapchat, TikTok, Reddit, even TC&S and all the rest should have a strict 18+ only policy, especially if that service offers video or the ability to post or send pictures. Of course, this system backed up by laws that make sure that these rules are enforced. I also feel that microphones should not be given to children as well. A lot of public abuse happens over voice chat in video games, especially if that person is a woman or a minority, much of it coming from unmonitored minors.

I say these things as a 35 year old that has been on the internet for 25 years. As a kid, I should have never been on the internet as freely as I was. Yes, we had dial-up and had to keep the computer in the family room next to the TV, but I still could have gotten into a lot of trouble then, especially when my parents left the house. Thankfully I was a responsible kid and just stuck to Starcraft, Runescape, and other internet games, but I can't say the same for my friends who were also not monitored by their parents. There's a lot of problems with the internet, and it has only gotten worse as time goes on and it becomes more readily available. Too many kids are being hurt and victimized because of the internet, many of them because of the actions of another child who doesn't have parents monitoring their activity. As much as I hate having others babysit the public, especially the government, but necessary evils sometimes do need to be put in place in order to protect all people.
I do think what you say sounds like a good idea, but how we verify that people signing in are actually 18? Checkboxes?
I don't think I'd be alive today if not for being online as a teen and making connections with people like me.
The burden would have to be on social media to moderate their platforms. If it is obvious that they are taking little to no action, then there is a penalty.
Some sites have CAPTCHAS? I think that is what they are called I don't really remember. My husband and I talk a lot about this, and when we have kids my husband will setup something so he can monitor that stuff. He does a lot of IT stuff and does a lot of Black market stuff for the military or at least watches that stuff. Although I want my kid to be techy savy I really don't want my kid to be on my phone plays games or watching tv all the time. So I guess it's a lead by example thing and be honest with them and limit there screen time, obviously I can't control what other parents do in their house, but I hope that with enough honesty, trust and respect going both ways they will tell us what happens and if they are uncomfortable they will bring it to our attention. But with they way things are going technology is in a kid's hand at 2 years old, so by the time they are 5 they know what the hell they want. I see so many parents giving kids their phones or switch or whatever just to keep their kid quiet at the store, and all I can do is shake my head. I had dial up when I was a kid, and my dad was always like go outside you have no business being on the computer all damn day. So no runescape or WOW for me.
There are definitely plenty of applications out there to monitor your kid's activity online. Some do screenshots in timed intervals where you can set the time. Others can track website visits. Then there's also the option of keyloggers that monitor what is being typed. There are just a ton of options to go down that path if you wanted to, but I don't necessarily recommend it unless trust has been broken between you and your child.

What I advocate for is giving your child more and more freedom as they get older, but still pay attention. Always ask questions about what they are doing. Know who their online friends are. Make sure that they can come to you if something is wrong, even if it is problems with cyberbullying with other kids from school, and so on. Also, drill in the rules of not meeting people IRL, not believing everything they read/see online, and putting boundaries on what they can and can't visit/view. I also advocate playing their games with them. That way you can get to know their friends and monitor what they are saying and doing.

I also wouldn't totally dismiss games like Runescape and World of Warcraft. I never got into WoW, but I was heavily into Runescape; so much so that I was actually a player moderator for some time (I had some moderation powers, like the ability to mute abusive players). The things that Runescape helped me most was improving my reading and typing speeds. Having to buy and sell items in a large crowd of people pushed me to read and type as fast as I can so that I can get the best deals and make my sales. The Grand Exchange has changed a lot of that, but last I saw, a lot of trade still happen just like the good old days.

I absolutely hated it as a kid, but I'm actually glad that it happened is that my parents kept the computer in the main living room next to the TV. We were on dial-up at the time so it wasn't a choice, but it allowed my parents to see what I was doing on the computer. Too many kids have their computers stuffed into their bedrooms where the family can't monitor them Keeping the computer out of the bedrooms could be an idea as well. Also, my parents limited my time to 8PM-10PM (bedtime), which probably also helped me stay out of trouble online. Though, again, that wasn't a choice because of our family's home business needing the house phone. Which I also hated with a passion, lol.

Anywho, there's a ton of different avenues to go through rather than being a completely strict parent since strict parenting can also produce negative outcomes in a child, like distrust and rebellion. It is better to grow with your child, giving them more freedom as time goes on. If they prove that they can't be responsible enough with their freedom, then bust out the temporary punishments that take away that freedom and make sure that they understand what they have done wrong and why it is wrong. You can work with your child and the internet as long as you have the patience, knowledge, and creativity to do so.
Yeah, runescape crew represent! Runescape is a surprisingly wholesome game, even if it's a huge time sink. I say this as an active player myself.
I wonder what it was like when people my grandpa's age told people my parent's age to stay off the TV.

Although you'd probably have to go another generation for that, even.
this was my opinion before other people had it but feel free to call me out on my bullshit:

youtube is fucking awful for children

parents not giving a shit about parenting will just sit their children in front of hours of the creepiest shit.
you know the state of youtube kids?

there are channels with literal minecraft childbirth and sex with millions of views. they do the same fucking thumbnails and titles guaranteed to be reccommended. autoplay is at fault here too. it's doing terrible things not just traumatizing children but destroying their digital hygiene. it's setting an awful example for generations to come. when i used to go to ice rinks, there would always be at least a few toddlers watching youtube on their mom's ipad. it's evil individuals profiting off the backs of viewers and ad revenue they dont deserve. e.g. elsagate? it's hardly been fixed.


fucking content creators aimed at children too. they do ridiculous ad things promoting their own merch and shit. they rob the childrens' parents' money. far be it from me to criticize them, but it's pretty disgusting exploiting children that don't know any better. there are so many scumbags on the site doing anything short of brainwashing the poor toddlers. there's just so much to go into on how shit the site is. the whole children issue is just one facet.
the idea that business-oriented content creators are coming into existence is scary as hell. this is particularly about youtube, with dream being a recent example. they're creative types, but with little to no integrity. they're fully aware that their audience are impressionable and easily manipulated, and take no issue with it. they're building their careers on the backs of some of the most vulnerable consumers on the market. there was a study done saying that children around the demographic of dream's videos respond extremely easily to what they see on television. an example of this is how aggressive you can see dream fans being online. probably doesn't really matter but it was just a thought i had.

that being said, i do think that whole "the chances of anyone being as lucky as dream is 1 in 7 trillion" thing was pretty funny
god i'm an asshole

have you seen bo burnham's me generation rant from his special from 2016 make happy?

it explores this concept very well

i'm tired again so i'm saying things i don't really mean i should really go to sleep now good night i don't know why i keep doing this to myself

As an educator, I had a kindergarten child who would tell people (other kindergarteners) to go kill themselves, and would say things like he was going to bring a gun and shoot up a school. Five. He was five years old. His parents let him watch YouTube without any parental supervision or controls. These aren't even the worst incidents. He has so many I lost count. I lost contact with that kid... But I do worry about him on occasion.
holy crap please arrest these douchebags
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