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Government is bad. We need anarchy.

We should test this out. How does a government work? Let's not think about politics right now. I will give a situation and everyone else will think about what is the right thing to do.
  
Situation: There is a plan to build a homeless shelter in a busy city where many people are without a home. Most of the plots have been taken in the area that the shelter can be built. The only options are to either replace either the only elderly care facility in the area or a rare school for the homeless. Which option would have to be chosen? The city is filling up badly with homeless people on the street. Choose quickly. Discuss.
  
How old are you?
  
Why?
  
W_Licky said:
The only options are to either replace either the only elderly care facility in the area or a rare school for the homeless.
I'd replace the school for the homeless, because homeless people don't really need dedicated schools. Once given shelter, they can attend the regular school.
  
Curiosity.

I'm not clear on what the school is. Is it a school for the homeless? Why can't the two be combined?
  
Anarchy is just a power vacuum that somebody with charisma and strength will take command pretty fast.

Government sucks, but it doesn't suck as bad as rule by war lords.
  
I like things like the FDA and public roads and water quality standards. None of those things would exist without some form of government.

Licky, it doesn't matter what the rest of us think about your situation. In anarchy, none of us would get the choice. Whoever is building the homeless shelter just puts it wherever they think is best. If you want a system where the larger public has some say or input in things that affect the community, that's a form of government.

I'm going to copy and paste something relevant I wrote in a previous thread:
Coldfrost said:
The point I'm trying to make here is that it is impossible to ensure any level of justice when every person is in charge of policing others' actions individually. There are plenty of gray areas. If there is no higher organizational power with the oversight and ability to enforce a common code of conduct, I really don't see how it could end except a spiral of retaliatory violence. People make rash decisions. People value their experiences over the experiences of others.
There is already such debate over things like the death penalty and abortion and environmental laws. The debates aren't going to magically clear up in the absence of a government. People will just lose the power to affect change on a larger scale. Even if the majority of people agree some certain action should be taken, how do you communicate that to society? How do you enforce that on a large scale? You couldn't know if any given action is agreed upon by the people as a whole. Every person would be left with only their own sense of morality as their guide, and everyone will think different things. It isn't justice if someone takes action against me for something I didn't know was wrong. I don't think nude swimming is wrong, but at least I know society as a whole thinks public indecency is. The social consequences of any given thing would be determined by such a small group of people. Even just one person. People will compel others by force or punish them by violence. There would be nothing compelling them not to, not even common virtue.
  
W_Licky said:
Government is bad. We need anarchy.
Yes.
  
Coldfrost said:
In anarchy, none of us would get the choice. Whoever is building the homeless shelter just puts it wherever they think is best. If you want a system where the larger public has some say or input in things that affect the community, that's a form of government.

Snipping this out; this is not necessarily the case. There are different schools of thought among self-identified anarchists - some would consider a direct democracy (which is a form of government) to be compatible with anarchy. (Etymologically, anarchy comes from "anarchos", greek for "without ruler.") I'm partial to anarcho-socialist models, in which the community would usually decide together what should be done for a larger issue like this - whether by consensus, vote, or other method of finding agreement.
  
Democracy without a ruler might work. I don't think I'd like a community consensus on everything because the community is kind of stupid sometimes.

Then again the system we have is pretty stupid and corrupt in many ways so another part of me thinks, what do I have to lose? A bunch of overpaid assholes taking lobbyist money and sponsoring shitty bills that they never read? Maybe a form of anarcho socialism could be worth the risk.

I'm not for it at the moment, but things are bad enough that I'm open to the idea.
  
the community is kind of stupid sometimes.

Brexit. 'Nuff said.
  
Anarchy works if everyone is on board with the same thing. Any friction or dissent requires arbitration, and arbitration requires enforcement. It's all well and good to talk about anarchy building homeless shelters, but you could also wind up in an AnCap nightmare-scape where paid gangs arbitrate whether you need to pay protection money to AmazonCorp to live in their designated hab-bloc.
  
Grayseff said:
Anarchy works if everyone is on board with the same thing. Any friction or dissent requires arbitration, and arbitration requires enforcement. It's all well and good to talk about anarchy building homeless shelters, but you could also wind up in an AnCap nightmare-scape where paid gangs arbitrate whether you need to pay protection money to AmazonCorp to live in their designated hab-bloc.


Exactly this. Goverments work as mediators for social problems. If there were no government, nothing will stop anyone from going to the extremes in order to get revenge. Say a bike gets stolen. The person wronged turns around and attacks a person they think is the thief, whether they are or aren't. The person attacked then assembles allies and attack back, killing the person. The family of the dead then seek revenge, and now you have the Hatfields and McCoys on a worse scale because there are no law officers to stop them. You only need to look at things like the drug trade and prostitution to know how bad it can get. People that are wronged can't just go to the police and ask for justice, so they take matters into their own hands, often with deadly end results, and it doesn't stop until law enforcement ends it. I hate government because no matter the system, the pigs always take over the farmhouse. But having no system is not going to end well at all for anybody, pigs or not.
  
I think that the people who are in power are corrupt.
  
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